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unsanctioned dialog may the truth that

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you free some might say you can't handle

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the truth

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I'm your host renderings and I think

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you're ready and in this installment of

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unsanctioned dialogues a very special

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guest is Timothy green Beckwith a very

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longtime researcher editor and publisher

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of the UFO paranormal phenomena my guest

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this evening in a 23rd at Tuesday 2017

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is Tim Timothy green Zachary now living

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in New York City we always knew for

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years he was and is it was a Brunswick

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New Jersey er oh yeah yeah well I asked

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I'm like that's the site of my post

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office box I don't give out my street

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address for Nathan literally op security

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right I have been I won't say constantly

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harassed but I've had a couple of

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incidents that could be considered them

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fairly a dangerous or threatening not

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necessarily by the MIT but by a radical

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fandom I guess you would call it that

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you know not everybody in the UFO in

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paranormal field is as stable and

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well-adjusted issue and I owe me well

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I've seen some evidence of that but I'm

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hiding out here deep in the hills of

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Tennessee so I don't smell no but you

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know I was I was years ago

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when I was a young man I was going

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through New Jersey on the way to Florida

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with my parents

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and I believe it was like July 1969 and

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we passed a car on the interstate that

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had UFO on the license plate

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I don't suppose that was you was it no

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but you know who that might be

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at market Chile Oh Pat market Elio has

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been a longtime student of the phenomena

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and he holds this conference of twice a

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year in orden town New Jersey his latest

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license plate says dr. UFO okay well

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yeah I just remember UFO Christmas was

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years ago but that's oh no but I have I

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have a sick industry which I hope get

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into it a little while which is a

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parallel and a very very very just

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spooky and unusual as most of the

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synchronicities that have occurred in my

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time has been well I remember years ago

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of dr. Buerkle Swartz eminent

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psychiatrist from Montclair New Jersey

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who expert excellent researcher right he

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wrote the book UFO dynamics to volume

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bulken delve deeply into the UFOs and

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actually was introduced to the UFO field

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of by John keel you know he'd been in

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1968 dr. Schwartz had written up four

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cases of UFO experiences that he'd

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interviewed for a medical journal and he

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plans yes he planted that to be the end

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of it and anyway uh Paul Harvey

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broadcast the story on it and John keel

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I think the way it when he got wind of

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it and contacted dr. Schwartz and you

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know that no you need to stay in this

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field because you know dr. Schwartz was

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already delving deeply into

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parapsychology and doc you know John

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keel : was there's a lot for him to do

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in the UFO field you know I have a copy

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I got 5,000 books with my collection I

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would assume here right and I have a

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copy of his

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UFO dynamics about a foot away from

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where I am and that article that you

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that you just mentioned I actually did a

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an entire column for Ray Palmer's flying

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saucers magazine based on the research

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that went into that particular article

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that he wrote for the medical journals

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are I'm well aware of him in his

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research and of course we both

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investigated the cat in the case of

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fellow Lansing which to this day remains

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one of the most puzzling of UFO cases

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out there I mean that her ability to

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well we did a book recently called UFO

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repeaters the camera doesn't lie about

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people who see me seem to have the

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uncanny ability about to be able to go

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out in the daytime or at night point

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your camera at the sky sometimes you'll

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see something bizarre effects will be

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nothing at all and a wide variety of

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objects of shapes and dimensions and

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or other digital camera and now

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used and we're still a Lansing at some

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clocks and faces and and things that if

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you recall the bread Dec even went

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technologically impossible to photograph

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but the earth would cross over from one

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frame to another totally uncanny totally

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bizarre and of course I believe the two

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the incident where they was they were

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filming a UFO I believe it was two of

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them and you know stellar had taken dr.

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as I recall and winkle at Massachusetts

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and and then there was the suddenly this

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was doing like like it was singling more

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interesting this I made I guess a couple

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trips down there to meet with stellar

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and and film it I never had any any

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really extraordinary experiences myself

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but I knew that there were others who

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who had shared you know seeing things

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while in her presence

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and let me tell you a little story here

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since a part of the subject of our

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conversation this evening is a

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synchronism isn't coincident now I take

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your responsibility for if there is such

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a thing as discovering smeller Lansing

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now Jim Mosley I had monthly UFO

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meetings in New York he would Reta a

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rule in a hotel like around Times Square

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where you can rent the room for $50 and

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he'll like you know hybrid 25 people as

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opposed to the $900 a thousand bucks

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they would charge you today right now

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that's why there are no more meetings

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anyway I was his assistant I was

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managing editor in soldiering news and I

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helped him unfold the chairs and he

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would have the kind of act as Leia

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thought this Pacific bully didn't either

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won a sting to her was too busy to talk

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with so now one day evening in this

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footage that she wanted to show in front

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of Jim's group at some point actually

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MAF presentation and and so it didn't

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seem I'd mentioned is the Jim and he

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didn't seem too impressed by it

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footage and I thought it was very

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rage and the lady Stella Lansing seems

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to be very articulate articulate so more

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so than I am oh you're fine you're fine

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and so we should think you've heard

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opportunity to at least to take the

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microphone in the podium for about an

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hour or so animaker presentation well

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audience was done by new revelations

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that she presented and there was a great

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deal of interest in what she had to say

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months later a bro the aerial phenomena

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conference or a seminar and Baltimore

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so now Shimon Moseley myself at great

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marker hooked up with us and we decided

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total dislike of Jim Mosley who of

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court jester of anthology they did not

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time and he showed me this absolutely

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circle so a gym and a gray decided

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why and not to I mean what could be so

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personal and so private about an

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effective being held in hotel anyway we

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being held and held and lo and behold

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who is making the presentation but smell

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Oh Lansing so we had to have a good

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laugh at this because we knew her

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material almost my heart because she had

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lectured for Gible group anyway would

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corrala residence of thousand degree

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quarter-inch opposed we were in the room

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the who I was at that point she had

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security maybe her husband Jim I showed

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them or awesome to the door so we knew

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he had a kind of a chuckle about this

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and and pointed up over the years or

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something it was very funny because what

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a crowed and deemed information that

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something that has already been

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presented in front of a auditorium with

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125 people in it anyway now at that

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point I taken the night gene I don't

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know this will have me in the early

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1970s or late 1916 rather whatever needs

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that year but the Avro was the number

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two UFO organization in the country if

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not the world now they didn't have a

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huge membership in fact they had about

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15 or 16 or 1700 members and I had as

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many subscribers to my little mimeograph

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newsletter the interplanetary service

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report as they had members of a bro

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night camp of course was a big group

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without separate thousand members they

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were based out of Washington DC and

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major Keyhoe and all the suppressive

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Board of Directors made up of admirals

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and CIA types and military the personnel

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and were you know way that decades ahead

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in try to get UFO a sort of a exclosure

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with disclosure I Pro on the other hand

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collected they were big on international

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reports and having all these of the

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sightings and translated into English

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and they had correspondence all over the

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world they were specially big on

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reports from like South America Mexico

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and so forth where at night cap was only

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rested in so-called credible reports

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from pilots police officers and the men

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of letters academia and so forth

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anyway a bro a gym and coral resin both

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were deceased of the organization folded

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I can't tell you the specific here but

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it's been three decades ago

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anyway idea couple times a year or once

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a year if I can do it I I travel out to

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Tucson which is where Admiral was base I

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have a lot of friends of people there

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that are tied up with the dirty 2fo

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organizations when the gentlemen

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particularly valid men it turns out he

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was the librarian for a pro now we had a

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conversation okay I went out doing it

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with Tatiana he has a little UFO group

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that that being said annual and annually

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and he has the promoter review of a

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world day which is held around the

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anniversary of an immortal fighting in

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June right okay so it turns out and most

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people don't realize as I mentioned

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gallant pence was a librarian for agro

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for a number of years and he was in

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charge of maintaining in their file well

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he gets a call one day from a core alert

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Gible Renza that they have been

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contacted by Paramount Studios who are

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planning a full-length The Hollywood

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feature on UFOs and they claim they want

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to and I use it in quotes get it right

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so I guess they wanted some assistance

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from a pro to give them information

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where they can face a story upon well

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they decided they didn't have time to do

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this so the Athan job to their trusty

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librarian a little set well it turns out

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right that the movie was close encounter

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the third high and okay and Alan spend

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some time with them on the telephone I

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think he might have even gone to see a

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peer mounted into the offices in in

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Hollywood Part III actual remand

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faculties that was a pager he just

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fitted on the telephone but he gave them

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a lot of information you know from the

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Admiral a file and they were very well

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pleased with it as they wanted to make

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sure that whatever incidents were used

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in the movie that even if they had

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creative license that it would be based

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on a historical of fact and not fiction

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alive

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to the extent that you know independence

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value or something at might see so but

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not that Alan ever got any credit and I

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don't say and certainly afro and or he

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ever got any looking this money for

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their for their own for the hours that

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they spent on the on the project and as

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it turned out I believe somehow a

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Paramount turned at the movie oh we over

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to a universal and originally it was

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only going to be released in 916

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theaters around the country which is

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actually a very small opening for a

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major cinema relief none the idea being

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that if the moving bond that they would

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not lose money by making all those extra

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prints and having to ship them all over

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the country in so forth but of course as

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it turned out Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind is still one of the top pet

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videos well movies of all kind a big

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moment

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and as a year the movie was a huge

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success the court in fact it's on I

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think Netflix and Amazon and I'm not

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three copies in various editions for a

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year in my in my office and so I you

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know I questioned Alan about that cuz I

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I had to have been involved it

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on the fringes with the movie I was the

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UFO editor of their glossary Close

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Encounters poster magazine I think there

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was four or five issues other than you

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opened up of this magazine type thing

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and it came out to be a a giant photo

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you know I know 25 20 or 24 by 24 of the

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other ship and the aliens and things

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like that and then they put out an

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actual magazine and a Vulcan so putting

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flawed and I did a couple of shows evil

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with Bob Balaban at the time that the

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the film you know came out in I always

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enjoyed the the movie it's maybe next to

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the Day the Earth Stood Still original

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of course because the UFO movie you know

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that Hollywood has has made and I can

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thank though right so now there so then

361
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obvious I said that course Alan I mean

362
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dr. Alan Hynek became the relative

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consultant major consultant for Close

364
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Encounters so I guess that must have

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happened after a pro-family I don't know

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I don't know if the Hynek was really up

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consultant I he's the one that came up

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with the term good Close Encounters of

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the first kind Close Encounters of the

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second kind and once he had a a cameo

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appearance I you know we had the film

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were sitting there puffing on his top of

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Devil's Tower yeah yeah yeah okay so uh

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oh I don't know is it four years ago or

375
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so I I'm down in Tucson and I

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interviewing Alan about the his

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involvement in the film and his

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involvement with a proselyte malaria

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after the conversation I had didn't it

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there for probably three days I joined

381
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the hook up with my friend Charlotte who

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is my sprocket in therapy we go on trips

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together we go up to Sedona different

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places that a chronolog are on our

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journeys and we business a known of a

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few types and of course is one of the

387
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more

388
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mystical places around the country so

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it's not oh maybe about a four-hour

390
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drive from Tucson and you even get the

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opportunity to go through the town of

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Jerome now the town of Jerome is known

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for having more ghosts than actual

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humans that are alive living there now

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they're suppose to be 400 t44 is

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eventually population but there are

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dozens and dozens of gross gunslingers

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miners a couple of prostitutes who got

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killed it was in the old days that what

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we would call a wide-open mining town

401
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and they find some UFO sightings there

402
00:20:59,850 --> 00:20:56,919
because as we know treasure does have

403
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seen sometimes to attract weird aerial

404
00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:01,990
phenomena and there's all kinds of gold

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mines silver mines platinum might copper

406
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mines they're all I think idle look now

407
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the in the town is a tourist a place

408
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where tourists go to see if they can you

409
00:21:22,409 --> 00:21:19,150
know see a ghost then there it goes

410
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towards and ghostly manners and ghostly

411
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hotels and things along that line

412
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anywhere we stopped over there and then

413
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we headed to sonoda which is another

414
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couple of miles down the road it's a

415
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kind of along the twisting mountainous

416
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Road part of the way so you have to slow

417
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down and get really speed up too fast in

418
00:21:47,730 --> 00:21:45,429
most places anyway is you now Cydonia is

419
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a kind of an art colony but it's also

420
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known as the hub of the new-age

421
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especially in the the south west people

422
00:22:03,870 --> 00:21:58,140
go there to meditate they go there to

423
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:03,880
vary crystals they have UFO sky sky

424
00:22:09,149 --> 00:22:07,600
watches in fact if anybody wants to see

425
00:22:13,049 --> 00:22:09,159
a really good interview that I did they

426
00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:13,059
can go to mr. UFOs secret files on each

427
00:22:18,509 --> 00:22:15,940
annette's or Channel and is a very

428
00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:18,519
a nice interview that we did with pop

429
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:20,950
dango I don't know if you've had Tom on

430
00:22:27,659 --> 00:22:25,120
your show do the fence we as well he has

431
00:22:31,049 --> 00:22:27,669
a huge scrapbook full of all types of

432
00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:31,059
UFO photos that he is paid or people and

433
00:22:37,019 --> 00:22:33,220
given them that has been mowed you know

434
00:22:39,869 --> 00:22:37,029
have appeared in and above the Sedona

435
00:22:42,269 --> 00:22:39,879
serving UFO crashes there there have

436
00:22:44,610 --> 00:22:42,279
been the crypto yet creatures seen

437
00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:44,620
walking across the main road through

438
00:22:51,269 --> 00:22:49,000
town surely a Shirley MacLaine has a

439
00:22:54,869 --> 00:22:51,279
florist a by the ocean elaborate or not

440
00:22:58,649 --> 00:22:54,879
has a property in there so it's a

441
00:23:01,710 --> 00:22:58,659
new-age community except that the the

442
00:23:03,779 --> 00:23:01,720
locals who are the old-timers don't like

443
00:23:06,779 --> 00:23:03,789
to have the do ages barge in on them

444
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:06,789
today I guess they don't get the the

445
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:09,970
full feel of the the crystals or the

446
00:23:15,299 --> 00:23:12,370
vortex that cenotes supposed to be made

447
00:23:18,509 --> 00:23:15,309
up modulo six or seven for Texas where

448
00:23:20,869 --> 00:23:18,519
all these strange things happen really

449
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:20,879
on the other one on the way into town

450
00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:24,580
there's a popular stopping off a point

451
00:23:31,049 --> 00:23:27,580
called the coffee pot where everybody

452
00:23:33,690 --> 00:23:31,059
kind of meets up great coffee great

453
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:33,700
brunch and a hundred and three omelets

454
00:23:39,749 --> 00:23:37,120
and choose from my favorite is often the

455
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:39,759
number hundred three omelet is peanut

456
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butter and jelly now I may sound queer

457
00:23:50,879 --> 00:23:46,330
what system or animal and some of the

458
00:23:53,129 --> 00:23:50,889
others and you draw it over Mia we have

459
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:53,139
some other mystical experiences in that

460
00:24:00,060 --> 00:23:57,039
area but here's the unusual thing that

461
00:24:02,970 --> 00:24:00,070
that afternoon camp you're visiting with

462
00:24:06,269 --> 00:24:02,980
Allen of beds we stopped at the coffee

463
00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:06,279
pot has our broad showing is probably

464
00:24:12,210 --> 00:24:08,529
something lunch headed out into the

465
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parking lot and right next to where the

466
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:14,500
vehicle that we had derivative the

467
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:16,870
Charlotte little driving is another

468
00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:19,929
automobile and it's sticking out a

469
00:24:26,499 --> 00:24:23,320
little bit further than it should you

470
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:26,509
know in the way we part your your car

471
00:24:30,189 --> 00:24:28,609
and we have to look at it and especially

472
00:24:32,199 --> 00:24:30,199
the person is probably the greatest

473
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:32,209
driving the world or they would pull it

474
00:24:39,159 --> 00:24:34,809
a little bit more and lo and behold

475
00:24:41,739 --> 00:24:39,169
there on the license plate that license

476
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:41,749
plate of the vehicle parked right next

477
00:24:53,199 --> 00:24:48,609
to us is giant letters is a pro a PR Oh

478
00:24:55,589 --> 00:24:53,209
now as I had mentioned the organization

479
00:24:59,889 --> 00:24:55,599
has not existed probably for three

480
00:25:03,430 --> 00:24:59,899
decades now it's possible that somebody

481
00:25:09,879 --> 00:25:03,440
in Tucson OA or that area is still a fan

482
00:25:11,739 --> 00:25:09,889
of a pro and decided to get a vanity

483
00:25:14,949 --> 00:25:11,749
license plate I think they call it right

484
00:25:17,199 --> 00:25:14,959
with it would that stamp on it okay

485
00:25:20,259 --> 00:25:17,209
that's a possibility but what's the

486
00:25:23,529 --> 00:25:20,269
possibility that this vehicle with the

487
00:25:26,019 --> 00:25:23,539
license plate would be part to us that

488
00:25:29,619 --> 00:25:26,029
next to us in the parking lot of a

489
00:25:31,149 --> 00:25:29,629
restaurant totally on the odds of it or

490
00:25:35,349 --> 00:25:31,159
like winning the lottery

491
00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:35,359
if there were such a thing so we took a

492
00:25:38,729 --> 00:25:36,979
photograph of the license plate so that

493
00:25:41,439 --> 00:25:38,739
people didn't think we were making up

494
00:25:44,769 --> 00:25:41,449
the story in fact they sent you a copy

495
00:25:47,189 --> 00:25:44,779
of it today for an article for your your

496
00:25:51,849 --> 00:25:47,199
publication there's the license plate a

497
00:25:53,739 --> 00:25:51,859
PR oh and this synchronicity the swarm

498
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,749
of synchronous of the earth so-called

499
00:25:57,069 --> 00:25:54,559
coincidence

500
00:26:00,879 --> 00:25:57,079
has a rippling effect throughout the

501
00:26:03,419 --> 00:26:00,889
paranormal and throughout you follow G

502
00:26:07,779 --> 00:26:03,429
and it's something that has followed me

503
00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:07,789
from almost day one I don't know who's

504
00:26:12,999 --> 00:26:11,539
behind it there is some thinking I don't

505
00:26:16,869 --> 00:26:13,009
know there are you familiar with the

506
00:26:20,619 --> 00:26:16,879
Jacques see Lily the lake jumping LOI no

507
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:20,629
no okay well he wrote the book the eye

508
00:26:29,469 --> 00:26:25,190
of the cyclone he was the the first

509
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:29,479
human to actually claim that he was able

510
00:26:34,809 --> 00:26:31,129
to communicate with dolphins

511
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:34,819
oh no fan guy okay yeah yeah again the

512
00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:36,250
dolphin guy cool

513
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:40,030
you say I think a bit of CAD Ameen only

514
00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:42,490
Special K an animal tranquilizer and

515
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:46,540
itself and I think he did the flotation

516
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:48,970
thing yes

517
00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:51,910
that's worth the floatation that taxi he

518
00:26:59,030 --> 00:26:54,790
was responsible for that anyway he had

519
00:27:01,740 --> 00:26:59,040
an entire series of synchronicities and

520
00:27:04,530 --> 00:27:01,750
he's not the only one but he came to

521
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:04,540
believe that there was an actual when he

522
00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:08,890
called it ecco ecco which he said the

523
00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:11,980
birth coincidence control center that

524
00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:15,040
there was actually a well you know

525
00:27:20,790 --> 00:27:17,680
charles fort i you know always said that

526
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:20,800
we were like the pawns in a chess game

527
00:27:25,530 --> 00:27:22,750
that somebody was you know and

528
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:25,540
controlling at least because some of our

529
00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:29,170
our behavior and and sila painted who we

530
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:30,820
did this book about the matrix and

531
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:34,240
process facilitated you know he is

532
00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:36,850
responsible for writing a number of the

533
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:39,100
best-selling science fiction books that

534
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:42,970
the the movies Blade Runner total recall

535
00:27:51,210 --> 00:27:46,840
in my majority report were based on and

536
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:51,220
he was he was convinced that that the

537
00:28:03,450 --> 00:27:57,030
time and reality is a changeable flux

538
00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:03,460
funk flexible thing i mean that it

539
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:06,100
doesn't have to be static and he had a

540
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:08,110
number of incidences of his own life

541
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:11,290
which is described in this book where he

542
00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:15,640
had dealt some sort of contact with an

543
00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:19,630
intelligence from somewhere outside he

544
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:21,160
believed that we were living in a

545
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,840
computerized simulation and I kind of

546
00:28:31,230 --> 00:28:27,760
know along with that I think that this

547
00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:31,240
may be the the case now I don't know

548
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:34,270
who's controlling the the computer

549
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:39,010
simulations or if thousands of years ago

550
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:41,530
somebody ancient astronauts if you want

551
00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:44,950
to call that K to the planet and set up

552
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:47,190
maybe some sort of workshop

553
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:50,160
and then left yellow listed on autopilot

554
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,290
and it causes all these weird

555
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:55,200
synchronicities and twisting happen but

556
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:57,570
I've had dozens of of in fact the

557
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:00,960
cultures for 40 pages and about 80 pages

558
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,530
of them are my very spooky very strange

559
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:09,120
frequent if cities and I'm not talking

560
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,610
about thinking of somebody a bread and

561
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,200
they call on the phone the next day I

562
00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:16,140
mean I wouldn't even include that I'm

563
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:18,120
just talking about things that are just

564
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:22,130
totally bizarre and totally strange and

565
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:26,490
like for example years and years ago I

566
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:30,480
was invited to give a talk in San

567
00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:33,330
Francisco where I had never been before

568
00:29:42,170 --> 00:29:37,800
it was my first trip to the city by the

569
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:42,180
bay and we had a very nice presentation

570
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:44,610
of his part of the congress of

571
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:47,940
scientific ufology even though there was

572
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:49,770
no sight is really involved with the

573
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:52,020
group but it sounded like a proceeding

574
00:29:57,770 --> 00:29:54,600
prestigious David it able to surrogates

575
00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:57,780
of oblivion or anyway on a Saturday

576
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,490
night I spoke babies for three hundreds

577
00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:01,200
of people it was a fairly good there a

578
00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:06,270
turnout and the next day it was a rather

579
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:09,140
late flight back to a Newark Airport

580
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:12,450
from the airport there and said this go

581
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,690
so we had some time to kill I was with

582
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:18,000
the promoter they already get his wife

583
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:19,860
and a few other people who I don't

584
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:23,460
remember who they are of course and we

585
00:30:34,030 --> 00:30:27,930
decided to have brunch now notice how a

586
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:37,880
not this much and anyway the place would

587
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:40,590
grant them nobody had ever been in this

588
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:44,580
particular bar restaurant before it just

589
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:47,610
seems like a fairly respectable place

590
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:52,740
for us to go into and so we did

591
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:55,410
okay so we're having a little chitchat a

592
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:57,210
conversation you know

593
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:58,860
decidable conversation of the

594
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:01,020
special in particular and I have a

595
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:03,480
convention I said geez you know if I had

596
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:06,299
given this support thought I might have

597
00:31:12,169 --> 00:31:09,000
invited a couple of people who used to

598
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:12,179
live in New York but have moved out here

599
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:15,840
for one reason or another now one of the

600
00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:18,420
one of the individuals are I had one of

601
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:20,790
the first metaphysical schools in the

602
00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:23,190
country it was the New York School of

603
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:26,160
the Arts and Sciences and we had

604
00:31:33,380 --> 00:31:30,990
workshops and seminars and seances and

605
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:33,390
then we had people like dr. Stanley

606
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:36,630
prisoner Cleve Baxter

607
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,169
Danny Logan people who were very well

608
00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:42,600
established some people who weren't in

609
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:47,040
the you know the area of the normal one

610
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:49,590
who might one of my favorite speakers

611
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:53,010
and workshop presenter was a fella by

612
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,340
the name of Alan floor I I don't know if

613
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:58,860
she recognized the name or or I do and

614
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:01,919
he even wrote a book on synchronicity I

615
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:06,090
think holding hagenstrom penis you're

616
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:07,440
taking away the punchline

617
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:14,640
oh sorry okay all right so he was he

618
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:17,880
emotional trip from New York to San

619
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:20,520
Francisco because he got a job can you

620
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:23,640
imagine that a paying job as editor of a

621
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:27,030
magazine called psychic well I remember

622
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:30,840
finance idea financed myself you know

623
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,610
billionaire type who didn't care whether

624
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:34,799
he lost money our magazine publishing or

625
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:37,020
Club baby would break even or something

626
00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:38,970
in a course on by using publishing it

627
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,270
don't break even and and the Borg lost

628
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,919
point what magazine the board you're

629
00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:45,840
going to lose but he didn't realize that

630
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:47,790
it was a paying job but it was something

631
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,970
of course that he wanted to do okay so I

632
00:32:54,919 --> 00:32:52,980
told my friends that Dale writing it his

633
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:54,929
wife these are the people I should have

634
00:33:00,500 --> 00:32:57,210
tried to get in touch with Alan's lon

635
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:00,510
because I always liked the guy you know

636
00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:03,240
he was not the stock up in duty

637
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:05,190
you could have a conversation that with

638
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,770
it that was outside the realm of the

639
00:33:11,410 --> 00:33:08,960
paranormal

640
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:11,420
like to have a drink or to have a good a

641
00:33:18,010 --> 00:33:14,450
joke - laughs - I am a personable of the

642
00:33:20,590 --> 00:33:18,020
fellow so at some point about five

643
00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:20,600
minutes later the swinging door to the

644
00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:23,990
restaurant swings open and a gentleman

645
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:27,680
comes into the bar leading a dog or

646
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:29,530
maybe the dog was waiting him on a leash

647
00:33:37,330 --> 00:33:32,810
and I said to del reading Isaac jail

648
00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:37,340
this looks exactly like Alan thought so

649
00:33:43,870 --> 00:33:40,550
I just heard the man over it was Alan

650
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:43,880
thought now here here's here here's a

651
00:33:49,930 --> 00:33:47,600
city with Isaac closed build 900,000 a

652
00:33:51,940 --> 00:33:49,940
million people or something like that we

653
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:51,950
invited him over he sent out we chatted

654
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:55,730
for a while and I said well have you

655
00:33:59,470 --> 00:33:57,770
come into the new come here often even

656
00:34:01,720 --> 00:33:59,480
nah man I was just walking down the

657
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:01,730
street and I felt the urge to cover to

658
00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:03,830
the bar have a Bloody Mary in Oakland or

659
00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:06,020
I think he liked to drink beer on the

660
00:34:10,630 --> 00:34:09,080
Bloody Mary and I dunno I also like come

661
00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:10,640
in in there you know and see what was on

662
00:34:15,850 --> 00:34:13,190
the menu whatever happened earlier the

663
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:15,860
cocktail so we had it couldn't laugh at

664
00:34:18,910 --> 00:34:17,210
that if I told the story about how we

665
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:18,920
had just been talking about five minutes

666
00:34:24,610 --> 00:34:22,490
before and I said Alan so what do you

667
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:24,620
what have you been working on and you

668
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:26,930
throw the punch line he was working on a

669
00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:29,450
book on synchronous for the acquisitive

670
00:34:36,150 --> 00:34:32,840
so of your own employee if you open that

671
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,160
volume which I cannot apply amongst the

672
00:34:43,180 --> 00:34:38,960
5,000 books here you will find I think

673
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:43,190
it's paced 37 or 38 I have a page about

674
00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:45,890
this incident that I have just described

675
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:49,400
to you now how is that possible that you

676
00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:51,530
could be in a city go into a restaurant

677
00:34:55,150 --> 00:34:53,240
where you've never been before

678
00:34:57,010 --> 00:34:55,160
talk about somebody that you haven't

679
00:35:00,250 --> 00:34:57,020
seen it three or four years and they

680
00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:00,260
walk into the door the five minutes

681
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,420
later in the working on a book I've seen

682
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:04,880
in Italy what the hell is that all about

683
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:10,150
I mean it's not coincidence it has to be

684
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:15,710
arranged of ISIL in why is very hard to

685
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:19,090
say now I've got I've got dozens of

686
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,400
experiences a likeness it

687
00:35:27,850 --> 00:35:25,520
it goes on and on and on and one seems

688
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:27,860
to be more amazing than another if you

689
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:29,720
have time I'll knock you out give you

690
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:31,750
the most recent one

691
00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:35,810
all right well a good friend of mine is

692
00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:39,460
a lady by the name of Maria Pia Andrea

693
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:42,470
she's a fairly well established here on

694
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:45,830
the psychic clairvoyant shaman here on

695
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:48,650
the East Coast she's written about how I

696
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:52,370
may be about 15 books for us some one

697
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:57,850
time travel the most recent one is on

698
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:01,040
the use of the loudness of the magical

699
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:04,490
lamp in contacting the Djinn oh all

700
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:07,370
kinds of she's into a cult but in a very

701
00:36:16,330 --> 00:36:11,630
positive way had a very nice little lady

702
00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:16,340
and we spend a once a while will that

703
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:18,200
will take off for a couple of days and

704
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:20,030
head on down the Turnpike on the

705
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:22,730
Greyhound bus to Atlantic City nothing

706
00:36:27,790 --> 00:36:25,730
either one was a gamble because I find

707
00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:27,800
gambling totally boring any a go to

708
00:36:34,990 --> 00:36:30,470
would have died one way or another every

709
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:35,000
kind of feels the same way now with you

710
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,830
get on the Greyhound and you get to your

711
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:38,720
destination and we usually go to the

712
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:41,870
Tropicana when you get off the bus they

713
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:45,550
give you a coupon which is good for a

714
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:49,370
$25 a play as a slot machine

715
00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:51,650
they don't take waters anymore there's

716
00:36:55,150 --> 00:36:53,780
no clang clang clang clang clang do you

717
00:36:58,930 --> 00:36:55,160
think that everybody is a big whether

718
00:37:01,540 --> 00:36:58,940
except for you you know okay so we go

719
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:01,550
down there because it's on the it's on

720
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:03,650
the beach there's a boardwalk there's a

721
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:06,110
swimming pool in the rooms are less than

722
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:07,490
a hundred dollars at night

723
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:09,140
where as opposed to if you were staying

724
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:11,990
in New York again $300 a night folk and

725
00:37:17,980 --> 00:37:15,460
you get forty five dollars of it in comp

726
00:37:21,790 --> 00:37:17,990
compensation to spend in the the slot

727
00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:21,800
machine if you feel like doing that it

728
00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:25,220
takes your free money and inside of five

729
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:27,350
minutes and anything else you what are

730
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:28,640
there examples of that pretty well

731
00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:30,290
pretty quickly as well

732
00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:35,180
yeah okay okay so is it right the right

733
00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:38,780
Audrey of other pluses about 2 hours and

734
00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:41,300
45 minutes from the Port Authority in

735
00:37:47,319 --> 00:37:44,359
Hyde Square in New York we get on the

736
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:47,329
closet it's a nice leisurely did a trip

737
00:37:52,569 --> 00:37:49,010
you go to the Pine Barrens that

738
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:52,579
hopefully invites the Jersey Devil

739
00:37:56,829 --> 00:37:54,380
wander down the road or something like

740
00:37:59,260 --> 00:37:56,839
that you know and it is a nice thing

741
00:38:02,530 --> 00:37:59,270
easy ended trip and that plus is usually

742
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:02,540
comfortable with as lifeline if then

743
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:05,270
some point about the 10 minutes before

744
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,530
you get to the hotel you get off the the

745
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:11,359
interstate and you start going through

746
00:38:17,620 --> 00:38:15,530
the local streets of Atlantic City at

747
00:38:21,569 --> 00:38:17,630
some point about the two or three blocks

748
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:21,579
away from the Tropicana you go past a

749
00:38:28,450 --> 00:38:25,550
coffee shop and Colonel Sanders and

750
00:38:32,799 --> 00:38:28,460
there's a fetid breakfast about a block

751
00:38:36,329 --> 00:38:32,809
away from the hotel I believe it's

752
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:36,339
called the Chelsea off and on the roof

753
00:38:44,109 --> 00:38:41,390
are statues and metal statues of the

754
00:38:47,049 --> 00:38:44,119
figures of the Blues Brothers you know

755
00:38:50,049 --> 00:38:47,059
Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi now I'm not

756
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:50,059
exactly sure why they're there but you

757
00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:53,710
know again accurate of course is a Vidia

758
00:38:58,420 --> 00:38:55,790
believer in UFOs

759
00:39:01,000 --> 00:38:58,430
oona in fact in a documentary couple of

760
00:39:04,569 --> 00:39:01,010
years ago his father who's still alive

761
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:04,579
and also in show business they had they

762
00:39:10,809 --> 00:39:07,670
held seances in their home up in Canada

763
00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:10,819
you know that Dan is a Canadian and so

764
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:14,030
Daniel if you set up side via and

765
00:39:19,870 --> 00:39:16,790
outside the the parlor door and watched

766
00:39:21,609 --> 00:39:19,880
the mediums and the seances and I guess

767
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:21,619
that's where he got the idea to write

768
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,710
the script for ghostbusters and his

769
00:39:28,839 --> 00:39:26,720
father I think about maybe six or seven

770
00:39:31,809 --> 00:39:28,849
or eight years ago wrote a book on all

771
00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:31,819
of this which I have a copy of here it's

772
00:39:38,589 --> 00:39:36,260
a major publisher and also in an

773
00:39:43,870 --> 00:39:38,599
interest in initiatives interest in UFOs

774
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:43,880
and the paranormal he also is one of the

775
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:47,270
owners and founders of crystal skull

776
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:48,650
rock young

777
00:39:58,060 --> 00:39:54,110
now at the end of the vodka comes in a

778
00:40:01,390 --> 00:39:58,070
stall a sweeter skull made of a list

779
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:01,400
that looks like a replica of the famous

780
00:40:07,930 --> 00:40:05,090
the yellow crystal stall right and a

781
00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:07,940
believable Eve they call it sanity

782
00:40:13,330 --> 00:40:10,790
liquor except that this locket is so

783
00:40:15,790 --> 00:40:13,340
good that it's not family liquor if

784
00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:15,800
people actually serve it if you can get

785
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:18,520
it in it and in some of the bars and

786
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:21,260
it's a little bit pricey more so than

787
00:40:24,580 --> 00:40:22,430
you would pay for some of the other

788
00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:24,590
brands but it's darn good if you're a

789
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:26,540
pocket trigger this stuff goes down

790
00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:30,260
smoothly anyway so he has an interest in

791
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:33,950
this and I pointed this out to to Maria

792
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:37,690
as we were about ready to pull into the

793
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:40,850
parking area where the the bus let's the

794
00:40:48,610 --> 00:40:44,350
penal law now when you get off the bus

795
00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:48,620
you are greeted by a hostess our host

796
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:53,240
from the hotel who hand you your two pot

797
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:55,880
puts the 25 hours of play in the slot

798
00:41:01,330 --> 00:40:58,610
machine but the coupon does no good by

799
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:01,340
itself you have to go into the lobby of

800
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:06,140
the hotel and present it to one of the I

801
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:10,010
guess the tellers behind the the cage

802
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:11,930
you know the cage of the bars in front

803
00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:14,900
stuff like that and they will take your

804
00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:18,320
coupon and put the money on your

805
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:21,800
membership card which of course you

806
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,480
always lose so you had the happy new day

807
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,480
and whatever tribe you tell okay so

808
00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:28,400
anyway there aren't that many people

809
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,230
getting off the bus it's a weekday like

810
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:33,200
a Tuesday or Wednesday and and we walk

811
00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:37,490
over to the other cage to give them or

812
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:41,240
chip on and get our card updated and the

813
00:41:48,990 --> 00:41:45,110
loudspeaker in the end is the room where

814
00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:49,000
you wear these cages are it is playing

815
00:41:55,450 --> 00:41:53,180
three programs of music it is no disc

816
00:41:57,610 --> 00:41:55,460
jockey there or anything it's like 10

817
00:41:59,469 --> 00:41:57,620
door or something god knows where the

818
00:42:03,489 --> 00:41:59,479
disc is even coming

819
00:42:08,979 --> 00:42:03,499
well what does it start playing red but

820
00:42:11,469 --> 00:42:08,989
the scene saw two ghostbusters here here

821
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:11,479
we are stepping up to the cage we have

822
00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:15,710
just seen the statues of dan Aykroyd on

823
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:18,140
the roof of the Chelsea pub two blocks

824
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:21,410
away and the music coming over the sound

825
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:22,910
system just like you would hear in an

826
00:42:28,299 --> 00:42:25,130
elevator is the theme tune ghostbusters

827
00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:28,309
how is that possible there are 15

828
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,619
million other songs are just pulling

829
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:33,440
that number out of my hat that could

830
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:36,950
have been applied just by random this is

831
00:42:40,299 --> 00:42:38,900
a random selection it's not like

832
00:42:41,739 --> 00:42:40,309
somebody's Falls coming to the world

833
00:42:45,459 --> 00:42:41,749
after they would know that what we were

834
00:42:47,709 --> 00:42:45,469
talking about anyway right if you

835
00:42:50,769 --> 00:42:47,719
kitchen it just walking by and there's

836
00:42:52,450 --> 00:42:50,779
one instance right after another so I'm

837
00:42:54,009 --> 00:42:52,460
not talking about you know like they're

838
00:42:55,959 --> 00:42:54,019
running into somebody on the street that

839
00:42:59,140 --> 00:42:55,969
used to you you were thinking about I'm

840
00:43:02,819 --> 00:42:59,150
talking about hardcore synchronicities

841
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:02,829
that have to be programmed by someone

842
00:43:12,459 --> 00:43:08,079
somewhere either on purpose or randomly

843
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:12,469
yeah you know Anthony peek over in

844
00:43:17,499 --> 00:43:15,049
England he's been writing a lot of

845
00:43:20,979 --> 00:43:17,509
material a lot of books in the last few

846
00:43:24,849 --> 00:43:20,989
years dealing with all kinds of things

847
00:43:26,979 --> 00:43:24,859
deja vu and the brain hemispheres and

848
00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:26,989
quantum physics and always yes and

849
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:28,900
synchronicity all these things that

850
00:43:34,269 --> 00:43:31,729
happen people and he he first became

851
00:43:37,479 --> 00:43:34,279
interested years ago and I did a initial

852
00:43:39,759 --> 00:43:37,489
interview with him back in 2007 and he

853
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:39,769
was interested in deja boo' experiences

854
00:43:45,309 --> 00:43:43,249
where people suddenly saw things are

855
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:45,319
about to happen just you know ahead in

856
00:43:49,749 --> 00:43:47,630
the future you know precognition thing

857
00:43:51,969 --> 00:43:49,759
he got very interested in that he called

858
00:43:54,370 --> 00:43:51,979
it the daemon which is like the right

859
00:43:57,009 --> 00:43:54,380
side of the brain that has insights and

860
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,019
knowledge that the normal left just you

861
00:44:01,150 --> 00:43:59,119
know doesn't really possess and

862
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:01,160
occasionally there a trick is for one

863
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:03,529
maybe temporal lobe epilepsy but he's

864
00:44:10,930 --> 00:44:05,690
written a book about a year ago on on

865
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,940
philip k dick as well and right and you

866
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:12,000
know

867
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:15,150
there is a Fitness is another as a

868
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:19,140
synchronicity I found out well you know

869
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,030
I did my show alive every Thursday

870
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:23,040
exploring the bazaar which course is

871
00:44:30,020 --> 00:44:27,660
that archived on YouTube and somebody

872
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:30,030
had mentioned to me that there was going

873
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:35,550
to be a philip k dick film festival the

874
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:38,970
week that our book was due to to come

875
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:42,690
out right so yeah I said well I I'm

876
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:47,400
trying to get the organizer of the of

877
00:44:52,580 --> 00:44:50,940
the event on my show which I did the

878
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:52,590
other night his name is Daniel Bell I

879
00:44:58,220 --> 00:44:55,950
I'm Ella I had not met him previously

880
00:45:01,070 --> 00:44:58,230
now this is the fifth year of the

881
00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:01,080
Philippine film festival I finally heard

882
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:03,630
about it last year competed Robinson was

883
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:06,690
on the program but this year they're

884
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:09,930
actually bringing in dr. jacques ballet

885
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:13,500
and Harold Puthoff who won to be part of

886
00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:17,130
the program and the program basically

887
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:21,980
consists of about all I know 40 or 50

888
00:45:31,220 --> 00:45:24,990
science fiction shorts and documentaries

889
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:31,230
and I think that the the program that

890
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:34,710
the valet and little fraternity artem is

891
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:41,300
part of a screening of a film about oh

892
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:47,460
boy the very well-known remote viewer

893
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:50,280
and a key piece of his latest case gives

894
00:45:55,609 --> 00:45:52,859
my mind Ayaka who's good friend of John

895
00:46:00,859 --> 00:45:55,619
keel and wrote a book and he's always

896
00:46:02,810 --> 00:46:00,869
mention he's disease that now but I mean

897
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:02,820
again here here the in the event is

898
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:05,270
going to be held on the weekend oh you

899
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:08,510
coming out you know what I don't like

900
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:10,410
want me to get a chance I got a

901
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:12,510
synchronicity to tell you all right

902
00:46:18,140 --> 00:46:16,140
class I'm up at your turn well this uh

903
00:46:22,490 --> 00:46:18,150
you know after after interviewing

904
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:22,500
Anthony peek I was I was so impressed

905
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:24,410
with his talk they had a little

906
00:46:28,210 --> 00:46:26,450
a little quote on tape I was going to

907
00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:28,220
play it to this group down in Florence

908
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:30,980
Alabama that I was you know I was

909
00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:32,990
meeting with once a month at the time

910
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,720
and we would also have introduced

911
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:38,000
different subjects and so I hadn't told

912
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:40,910
anybody what was on this this tape and

913
00:46:47,230 --> 00:46:42,650
it was my phone conversation a part of

914
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:47,240
my phone conversation with Anthony peek

915
00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:50,510
and in the conversation we got talking

916
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:52,760
about you know he was telling me about

917
00:47:01,150 --> 00:46:58,670
how a psychologist and in California

918
00:47:03,550 --> 00:47:01,160
would hypnotize someone and they

919
00:47:05,350 --> 00:47:03,560
certainly this other personality came

920
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:05,360
through and told him things that was

921
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:07,190
really shocked him you know it was quite

922
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:10,850
seem quite knowledgeable and stuff and

923
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:14,150
new things that you know and what he was

924
00:47:18,310 --> 00:47:15,980
supposed to get out of control and he

925
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:18,320
wasn't and I started talking to him

926
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:21,070
about John keel you know Long Island

927
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:23,450
1967 Apple that came through and

928
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:25,640
predicted plane crashes neig all excited

929
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:28,130
that that that's the daemon you know

930
00:47:32,110 --> 00:47:30,530
this what he calls the the right

931
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:32,120
hemisphere of the brain he says it's

932
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:34,790
capable under hypnosis of it coming

933
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:36,650
through with this information can see

934
00:47:44,350 --> 00:47:41,690
the future and all this and so I I had

935
00:47:46,330 --> 00:47:44,360
that that section of recording or some

936
00:47:48,820 --> 00:47:46,340
part of that that conversations we'd had

937
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:48,830
and he also told me if I saw John keel

938
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:52,130
to tell him that in Liverpool England

939
00:47:55,810 --> 00:47:54,380
back when his book operation Trojan

940
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,820
horse came out that there were some

941
00:48:00,100 --> 00:47:57,680
hippies and he was among them that were

942
00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:00,110
really intrigued with his his tribute

943
00:48:07,570 --> 00:48:05,300
book but anyway so I hadn't told anybody

944
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:07,580
in this meeting what I was about to

945
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:10,250
reveal and so he took a break and after

946
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:11,930
the break I was going to play this tape

947
00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:15,760
but before I did the host of the group

948
00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:18,980
she announced to everybody that there

949
00:48:23,140 --> 00:48:20,390
was someone that had something that they

950
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:23,150
wanted to tell so before we proceeded

951
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:26,890
further you know he was going to tell us

952
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:28,670
something that he thought was quite

953
00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:30,890
important and what he said was it had a

954
00:48:37,809 --> 00:48:34,460
deja vu about 10 or 15 years earlier and

955
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:37,819
he saw me and

956
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:40,249
my wife and a friend of mine that I

957
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:42,049
brought to the meeting a group of us

958
00:48:46,509 --> 00:48:44,390
standing there and you never knew what

959
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:46,519
it meant and then at this meeting all of

960
00:48:51,339 --> 00:48:48,049
us came together all these years later

961
00:48:56,109 --> 00:48:51,349
and this was vivid in his mind and then

962
00:48:58,449 --> 00:48:56,119
I played the audio where you know that

963
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,459
Denis Peck is talking about deja vu

964
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:00,079
this is what this guy had experienced

965
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,130
years earlier well now so what do you

966
00:49:09,339 --> 00:49:06,319
conclude on this I mean is there an

967
00:49:12,789 --> 00:49:09,349
intelligence behind the synchronicities

968
00:49:15,939 --> 00:49:12,799
of this deja vu or and the coincidences

969
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,949
or is it all just a random shot in the

970
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:16,400
dark

971
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:24,650
throwing odd but then you know I I get

972
00:49:29,499 --> 00:49:26,089
kind of go back to you know Harold

973
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:29,509
Sherman the well-known Oklahoma oh my

974
00:49:33,699 --> 00:49:31,609
goodness yes you know I'm still in touch

975
00:49:36,910 --> 00:49:33,709
with his from time to time his daughter

976
00:49:40,749 --> 00:49:36,920
and you know people always talk about

977
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:40,759
little green men well I got the inside

978
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,369
scoop the term green man you know where

979
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,440
he came from he came from an article

980
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:47,359
that Harold Sherman wrote for amazing

981
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:49,430
stories for Ray Palmer back in the

982
00:49:56,709 --> 00:49:53,089
nineteen forty then he produced a book

983
00:49:59,680 --> 00:49:56,719
on low green manners yeah no yeah yeah

984
00:50:02,349 --> 00:49:59,690
yes sir it's based on the lovey the

985
00:50:05,410 --> 00:50:02,359
green man returned I still have some

986
00:50:07,569 --> 00:50:05,420
copies on the the back shelf there you

987
00:50:12,999 --> 00:50:07,579
know I I think I had walked out when it

988
00:50:17,019 --> 00:50:13,009
cooks field sales were really a you know

989
00:50:19,390 --> 00:50:17,029
going well back in the 1980s when before

990
00:50:23,739 --> 00:50:19,400
the internet came along it smacked is a

991
00:50:26,349 --> 00:50:23,749
good one you know we were selling stuff

992
00:50:29,469 --> 00:50:26,359
on you know like that and now of course

993
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:29,479
the Internet has come along in taking a

994
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,640
lot of the Thunder out as well you know

995
00:50:36,130 --> 00:50:33,680
the publishing your business and you've

996
00:50:39,699 --> 00:50:36,140
got to rely pretty much on you know

997
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:39,709
Amazon in order to to get the word out

998
00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:42,529
it of course now you've got everyone

999
00:50:48,550 --> 00:50:44,990
there is a right here

1000
00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:48,560
though you've got before 4 million or 5

1001
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:50,390
million books to compete with maybe more

1002
00:50:57,609 --> 00:50:53,030
than you know it's not quite the same

1003
00:50:59,410 --> 00:50:57,619
huh okay yeah I can I think of what

1004
00:51:01,839 --> 00:50:59,420
Harold Sherman used to say that like

1005
00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:01,849
attracts like like attracts like in the

1006
00:51:08,589 --> 00:51:05,960
realm of mind and you know he had kind

1007
00:51:10,510 --> 00:51:08,599
of a kind of a little induction where

1008
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:10,520
you relax and do the progressive

1009
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:13,010
relaxation and you kind of kind of focus

1010
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:17,000
on your mind's eye and you know for

1011
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:19,250
various the scene of the future or the

1012
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,650
astral travel or whatever whatever it

1013
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:23,839
was you wanted to do you know you had a

1014
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:27,440
whole series of just that in fact some

1015
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:31,609
of those we turned into audio with CDs I

1016
00:51:36,370 --> 00:51:34,550
surf course with masters and things you

1017
00:51:37,810 --> 00:51:36,380
know we've come through with so many

1018
00:51:42,099 --> 00:51:37,820
different titles and so many different

1019
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:42,109
uh audios and videos and in fact even on

1020
00:51:48,579 --> 00:51:46,030
YouTube now we get some like original 65

1021
00:51:51,490 --> 00:51:48,589
presentations done I mean every year

1022
00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:51,500
every week we had one or two and I in

1023
00:51:56,349 --> 00:51:53,390
fact is a very good presentation up

1024
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:56,359
there about the smell of Lansing if

1025
00:52:01,420 --> 00:51:59,839
anybody wants to take a look at at what

1026
00:52:04,810 --> 00:52:01,430
we were talking about earlier in the

1027
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:04,820
program we also visit Charles forts the

1028
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:07,609
grave which is in the rural or Cemetery

1029
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:11,510
in the Albany New York up we we spend

1030
00:52:19,540 --> 00:52:15,010
the extra would comment on go down in

1031
00:52:21,849 --> 00:52:19,550
Sedona and you usually you mentioned the

1032
00:52:24,609 --> 00:52:21,859
person that probably they have been on

1033
00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:24,619
there on our program or the dying or not

1034
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:27,020
and since some of them are deceased

1035
00:52:33,849 --> 00:52:29,950
they've already tried to get on that's

1036
00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:33,859
well you know that reminds me I'm Stella

1037
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,200
Lansing uh first time I went down to see

1038
00:52:42,430 --> 00:52:38,720
him my friend Jim Carrey from from from

1039
00:52:45,310 --> 00:52:42,440
Maine also at the time and we drove down

1040
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:45,320
there and came back really late in the

1041
00:52:50,260 --> 00:52:47,450
morning I think it was around four

1042
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:50,270
o'clock I believe in the morning and I

1043
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:53,630
found out later that either around four

1044
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:55,130
o'clock that morning of the other

1045
00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:55,920
morning

1046
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:57,870
exactly pinpoint for sure what what

1047
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:00,900
morning but that a non of minor lived

1048
00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:04,680
down the hill from me got up I go to the

1049
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:07,080
bathroom that four o'clock in the

1050
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:08,370
morning and she happened to look out the

1051
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:11,910
window and saw this unusual display of a

1052
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:15,330
ring of light flying silently across the

1053
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:19,410
sky ah you know and it made me think of

1054
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:22,110
the clockwork images this week you know

1055
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:23,700
I've been hearing so much about when I

1056
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,440
was down at stemler's he fell now you

1057
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:30,300
know the clockwork images I I debated

1058
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:33,210
about this with with dr. Schwartz on

1059
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:35,400
that particular image because I had

1060
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:36,900
gotten some along with some other people

1061
00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:42,810
and and you know I I contacted Kodak in

1062
00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:45,480
Rochester New York and the technician

1063
00:53:52,310 --> 00:53:49,350
wrote me back that they were rivets they

1064
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:52,320
were attached to like 50 foot long

1065
00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:55,410
super 8 millimeter film strips for

1066
00:53:59,930 --> 00:53:57,150
continuous developments through their

1067
00:54:02,000 --> 00:53:59,940
VAT at the time at the time I wrote them

1068
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:02,010
they were discontinuing that program and

1069
00:54:07,610 --> 00:54:04,260
I tried to get him to send me the rivet

1070
00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:07,620
to show to stellar into dr. Schwartz and

1071
00:54:11,660 --> 00:54:10,080
they never did do that but it kind of

1072
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:11,670
made sense that maybe it was something

1073
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,170
like that because he usually was around

1074
00:54:21,710 --> 00:54:16,200
the beginning of the end of you know the

1075
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:21,720
the ones I had the 50 if he put scripts

1076
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:24,990
and in with as you say just overlap the

1077
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:28,800
film and and it would it would suck but

1078
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:30,690
you could see it on one side of the film

1079
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:33,210
where I was sort of like impressed quest

1080
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:36,150
into the film and then he turn it over

1081
00:54:40,850 --> 00:54:38,700
and it wouldn't be on the other side so

1082
00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:40,860
I kind of thought that that was a

1083
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:43,350
possible explanation I know dr. Schwartz

1084
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:45,180
had consulted with Auggie Roberts who

1085
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:47,210
was quite familiar with Handley and

1086
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:50,610
someone who was a professor and he he

1087
00:54:57,830 --> 00:54:54,000
told Stella Lansing about it and she

1088
00:55:00,050 --> 00:54:57,840
called me up one day to rake me over the

1089
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:00,060
coals why didn't you contact me about

1090
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:02,370
this why did you contact Kodak I I know

1091
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:04,290
about Kodak I've been in touch with him

1092
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:06,750
again he kept she was kind of irate with

1093
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:07,380
me out

1094
00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:10,619
her down she got kind of emotional on

1095
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,430
the subject but you know I'm Sarah now

1096
00:55:18,140 --> 00:55:16,559
I've heard other stories from other

1097
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:18,150
people strange things they've seen in

1098
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:20,130
her presence and I know when when I was

1099
00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:23,130
there my friend Jim Carrey he said he

1100
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:24,750
was looking across this body of water

1101
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:29,220
she lived near a little wake and he saw

1102
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:32,220
something that like at a house I think

1103
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:34,049
there was like one moment there was a

1104
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:35,730
fence in front of it in the next moment

1105
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:40,440
was gone and so I mean people say things

1106
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:42,180
report things you know in her inner

1107
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:46,170
presence but you know what comes rooms

1108
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:48,329
this is why that's why we included her

1109
00:55:54,289 --> 00:55:51,180
in our book yet - a faux repeaters

1110
00:55:57,620 --> 00:55:54,299
because there does seem to be a select

1111
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:57,630
group of individuals who have the

1112
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:00,599
uncanny ability remember tech serials of

1113
00:56:08,269 --> 00:56:04,890
course Oh No who had this gizmo that he

1114
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:08,279
would hold up his forehead strain and

1115
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,710
stress and make all kinds of faces and

1116
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:13,680
then take a camera I think a Polaroid

1117
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:17,910
camera right no it's not the pictures as

1118
00:56:24,529 --> 00:56:21,390
there would be images that they would

1119
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:24,539
find you know later on work apart

1120
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:26,609
distant places where he had never been

1121
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:29,880
yeah and dr. Hynek was attended one of

1122
00:56:36,019 --> 00:56:33,900
the sessions that dr. jewel Eisenbud who

1123
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:36,029
wrote the book the world of ted serios

1124
00:56:42,589 --> 00:56:40,440
was a psychiatrist yeah he had a number

1125
00:56:44,359 --> 00:56:42,599
of people academic type people

1126
00:56:48,019 --> 00:56:44,369
professional to participate in the

1127
00:56:50,779 --> 00:56:48,029
sessions and dr. Hynek was one of them

1128
00:56:52,609 --> 00:56:50,789
Chris we I guess we know a little more

1129
00:56:55,249 --> 00:56:52,619
about dr. Hynek he was more interested

1130
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:55,259
in strange things going back to

1131
00:57:00,769 --> 00:56:57,210
childhood and then we realized you know

1132
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:00,779
they oh oh yes well that I remember I

1133
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:02,730
did an interview with him one time and

1134
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:07,980
he talked about the men in black he

1135
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:10,470
talked about a case where a police

1136
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:13,140
officer was actually I guess chasing one

1137
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:15,530
of these black Cadillacs down a

1138
00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:18,770
a lonely road and the vehicle and

1139
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:20,750
disappeared right in front of the police

1140
00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:24,530
officer well you know I I met him at his

1141
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:27,830
home back in September of 72 I was I

1142
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:31,210
went Great Lakes Naval Training Academy

1143
00:57:37,540 --> 00:57:34,790
when I was you know joined the Navy back

1144
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:37,550
then and and so I was right outside

1145
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:41,030
Chicago Evanston and so I I bought his

1146
00:57:45,370 --> 00:57:42,890
book and went to see him and you know

1147
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:45,380
chat with him a while and I was

1148
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:49,040
surprised at the time that I was kind of

1149
00:57:54,190 --> 00:57:51,400
at the time I was kind of skeptical I

1150
00:57:57,250 --> 00:57:54,200
was a little skeptical phase about John

1151
00:58:00,370 --> 00:57:57,260
keel and he actually defended him he

1152
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:00,380
said well I find him his idea is quite

1153
00:58:04,180 --> 00:58:02,090
interesting you know I think we you know

1154
00:58:08,650 --> 00:58:04,190
and then later I learned that during the

1155
00:58:10,180 --> 00:58:08,660
Hudson Valley activity there was dr.

1156
00:58:13,450 --> 00:58:10,190
Hynek that suggested they look at

1157
00:58:15,310 --> 00:58:13,460
certain ancient monuments Indian mounds

1158
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:15,320
landmarks of any kind of might be there

1159
00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:17,210
and they did and lowered the coal-hole

1160
00:58:21,580 --> 00:58:19,460
they found that some of the activity was

1161
00:58:23,890 --> 00:58:21,590
very strange activity occurred around

1162
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:23,900
some standing stones and section in that

1163
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:25,220
area that's correct

1164
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:29,330
in fact this past weekend I I along with

1165
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:31,490
my associate here in Carroll Rodriguez

1166
00:58:36,940 --> 00:58:34,310
with my knees story and we took a trip

1167
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:36,950
up to Pine Bush New York which is just

1168
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:39,710
outside the Hudson Valley for the fifth

1169
00:58:47,020 --> 00:58:42,890
annual Pine Bush beautiful Festival and

1170
00:58:51,310 --> 00:58:47,030
parade you know Pine Bush and the Hudson

1171
00:58:55,650 --> 00:58:51,320
Valley in the 1980 was the hub of UFO

1172
00:58:59,530 --> 00:58:55,660
activity in fact the Hudson Valley had

1173
00:59:02,020 --> 00:58:59,540
as many witnesses if not more than the

1174
00:59:07,090 --> 00:59:02,030
in the very famous of Phoenix Phoenix

1175
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:07,100
right there was a one incident of where

1176
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:09,890
I think about 200 cars had pulled up to

1177
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,430
the side of the Parkway as they looked

1178
00:59:19,090 --> 00:59:15,040
up and they saw this giant

1179
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:19,100
boomerang-shaped craft silently glide

1180
00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:23,520
overhead and that's what dr. Hynek and

1181
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:27,030
shucks valet that they came to Brewster

1182
00:59:33,260 --> 00:59:29,610
New York and they had a town-hall

1183
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:33,270
meeting and that's the first time I ever

1184
00:59:38,090 --> 00:59:34,170
heard

1185
00:59:43,550 --> 00:59:38,100
Larry Warren until his the story about

1186
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:43,560
his involvement in the wreck waters a

1187
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:47,520
Rendlesham foreign tourists UFO landing

1188
00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:52,050
which has been the Heatley hotly debated

1189
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:55,080
in recent times and is going to cause

1190
01:00:00,050 --> 00:59:58,890
quite a controversy and anyway that that

1191
01:00:02,810 --> 01:00:00,060
for a while

1192
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:02,820
hein Borgia was we have a UFO activity

1193
01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:05,730
they were there was a young lady by name

1194
01:00:11,330 --> 01:00:08,520
Alan crystal who's now deceased varying

1195
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:11,340
levels in who worked for Omni magazine

1196
01:00:16,460 --> 01:00:14,250
and they would go up there and on a

1197
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:16,470
regular basis have fairly close

1198
01:00:22,550 --> 01:00:19,890
encounters and Alan wrote a book called

1199
01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:22,560
the police it was called the silent

1200
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:24,780
invasion and she had some very

1201
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:26,490
incredible photographs that she called

1202
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:28,910
some of which are in our UFO repeaters

1203
01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:32,880
book and there's school people having

1204
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:34,950
sightings up there now and the town

1205
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:39,119
celebrates every year with a UFO of the

1206
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:41,640
festival they have a few thinkers and I

1207
01:00:48,310 --> 01:00:44,700
promise Moulton was there Peter Roberts

1208
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:48,320
who lives nearby a Linda Zimmerman who's

1209
01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:50,730
written a couple of books on the Hudson

1210
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:55,230
Valley UFO slab and it's quite a little

1211
01:00:58,190 --> 01:00:57,000
of that I mean it's no laws well or

1212
01:01:00,740 --> 01:00:58,200
anything but that

1213
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:00,750
it's about the only thing going on the

1214
01:01:05,780 --> 01:01:03,270
East Coast and I don't know how many

1215
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:05,790
times do you think now have a UFO

1216
01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:08,760
festival you've gotta pick Bentonville

1217
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:12,980
you got the Wolfman a festival down in

1218
01:01:19,820 --> 01:01:17,850
West Virginia and so I guess so and

1219
01:01:24,460 --> 01:01:19,830
you've got the up around Hopkinsville

1220
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:24,470
Kentucky now you've got the that one

1221
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:26,970
based on the little men sighting back in

1222
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,290
August 1914 oh yeah that's one of my

1223
01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:31,920
favorites of course

1224
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:34,950
yeah the little of entities on the roof

1225
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:37,920
that they shot a shot at and anything

1226
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:39,569
with just the Hopkinsville yeah they

1227
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:41,730
with depth they would just roll off the

1228
01:01:46,430 --> 01:01:44,490
kind of the roof like the bullets were

1229
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:46,440
you know they paid out of rubber or

1230
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:49,670
something like that yeah I interviewed

1231
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:54,660
one of mr. Sutton's daughters yeah she

1232
01:01:57,140 --> 01:01:55,410
never yelled

1233
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:57,150
that's an interesting note for the first

1234
01:02:01,309 --> 01:01:59,220
one she she actually wrote a book I

1235
01:02:03,799 --> 01:02:01,319
heard her on one show so we're on the

1236
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:03,809
internet maybe even that your program

1237
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:05,930
I'm not sure and then she disappeared

1238
01:02:13,339 --> 01:02:08,809
you know even woody aaron berger's

1239
01:02:15,710 --> 01:02:13,349
daughter wrote a book like three or four

1240
01:02:17,630 --> 01:02:15,720
years ago or maybe she write the book

1241
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,640
they republish the visitors from laniel

1242
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:20,640
oh and she did one show and you know you

1243
01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:21,930
never heard anything more about her and

1244
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:23,400
i trying to get her in the program and

1245
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,010
never heard back from her and sent along

1246
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:27,599
that line you know I mean just kind of

1247
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:32,190
very light like that yeah thing was like

1248
01:02:36,770 --> 01:02:34,710
September last year that I was had

1249
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:36,780
contacted her and she was quite

1250
01:02:44,299 --> 01:02:40,770
accessible at that time so I think she's

1251
01:02:49,780 --> 01:02:44,309
on Facebook haha well we had we've had

1252
01:02:53,809 --> 01:02:49,790
on our program Kenneth Arnold

1253
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:53,819
granddaughter and in fact now here's the

1254
01:02:59,780 --> 01:02:55,079
synchronicity that you're probably

1255
01:03:04,220 --> 01:02:59,790
familiar with I call it the June 24th

1256
01:03:08,089 --> 01:03:04,230
enigma June 24th is the anniversary of

1257
01:03:11,059 --> 01:03:08,099
course of Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting

1258
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:11,069
over Mount Ranier now most people do not

1259
01:03:18,620 --> 01:03:14,040
realize that Kenneth Arnold had upwards

1260
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:18,630
of 15 other UFO sightings in later years

1261
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:24,799
and he also had other paranormal

1262
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:27,059
experiences the rather bizarre ones

1263
01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:28,770
including a rocking chair that

1264
01:03:34,700 --> 01:03:31,020
supposedly lulaia himself there was an

1265
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,710
angel in the tree outside of his home we

1266
01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:36,480
know about the fact that his hotel room

1267
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:38,190
was bugged you know the Maury Island

1268
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:39,119
incident

1269
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:41,609
well of course on 224th parents an

1270
01:03:45,180 --> 01:03:42,370
amount

1271
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:45,190
dozen UFO researchers that have passed

1272
01:03:50,790 --> 01:03:47,880
the way UFO researchers are those

1273
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:50,800
interested in the subject dragon with

1274
01:03:59,610 --> 01:03:54,250
whose womb okay fry Kenworth I'm a

1275
01:04:02,850 --> 01:03:59,620
French Joey all right June 24th Jackie

1276
01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:02,860
Gleason who of course was a regular

1277
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:06,070
guest on the long double show and has

1278
01:04:14,090 --> 01:04:09,610
one of the largest of coke libraries

1279
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:14,100
which is now at the University of Miami

1280
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:18,310
and there were and there was uh oh let

1281
01:04:24,030 --> 01:04:20,850
me see it quite a number of other

1282
01:04:27,930 --> 01:04:24,040
researchers benefit oh right Edwards

1283
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:27,940
publisher Lyle Stuart passed away on in

1284
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:31,510
June that's what do you for this point

1285
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:34,000
out is quite a list I mean it Vivian

1286
01:04:39,950 --> 01:04:37,330
vomit and multimodal back but here's

1287
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:39,960
here's the the punch life and and the

1288
01:04:45,030 --> 01:04:43,690
synchronicity now most people like to

1289
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:45,040
say you know about Kenneth Arnold

1290
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:47,470
sighting over Mount Rainier you describe

1291
01:04:52,020 --> 01:04:49,690
these crescent-shaped objects they look

1292
01:04:54,930 --> 01:04:52,030
like they were skipping over water

1293
01:04:57,090 --> 01:04:54,940
that's how the time flying saucer came

1294
01:05:00,660 --> 01:04:57,100
about but what most people do not

1295
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:00,670
realize is that Kenneth Arnold did not I

1296
01:05:06,780 --> 01:05:03,610
repeat did not believe that the objects

1297
01:05:10,130 --> 01:05:06,790
that he saw were extraterrestrial he

1298
01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:10,140
believed that they were some sort of

1299
01:05:15,570 --> 01:05:13,180
vessel I guess it's the best term that I

1300
01:05:19,110 --> 01:05:15,580
can take up tempo that word that was

1301
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:19,120
coming over to make the souls or spirits

1302
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:23,290
of individuals into the next world now

1303
01:05:28,770 --> 01:05:26,650
that's a pretty strange concept but is

1304
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:28,780
it an even stranger in certainly a

1305
01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:31,570
synchronicity that so many UFO

1306
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:33,880
researchers have passed away on the

1307
01:05:39,570 --> 01:05:36,720
universe on the anniversary of his

1308
01:05:42,270 --> 01:05:39,580
initial sighting and that was it bolita

1309
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:42,280
his concept is that they these vehicles

1310
01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:44,290
were coming to pick up the souls of the

1311
01:05:48,990 --> 01:05:47,020
departed well we'll be right that's

1312
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:49,000
that's very interesting I didn't know

1313
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:52,660
that I definitely understand you're

1314
01:05:58,829 --> 01:05:53,650
talking history

1315
01:05:59,940 --> 01:05:58,839
you know people people ask me what do

1316
01:06:01,769 --> 01:05:59,950
you think about this or what do you

1317
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:01,779
think about that and you know what my AI

1318
01:06:07,859 --> 01:06:05,170
my standard answer it is it doesn't

1319
01:06:10,410 --> 01:06:07,869
matter what I think about UFOs because

1320
01:06:13,170 --> 01:06:10,420
they act independently of my thinking or

1321
01:06:16,349 --> 01:06:13,180
anybody else's just when you think you

1322
01:06:21,870 --> 01:06:16,359
might have a grasp on the in the

1323
01:06:23,940 --> 01:06:21,880
situation down twist your mind and turn

1324
01:06:28,170 --> 01:06:23,950
you about and send you in another

1325
01:06:30,529 --> 01:06:28,180
direction and I have a list but I have

1326
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:30,539
one last story here that I want to

1327
01:06:39,569 --> 01:06:35,680
Oakley yeah my high initial of my first

1328
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:39,579
publisher of course we have now if you

1329
01:06:45,059 --> 01:06:42,670
go to amazon.com and you type an inner

1330
01:06:48,089 --> 01:06:45,069
light global communication - global

1331
01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:48,099
communication which is my publishing

1332
01:06:53,339 --> 01:06:50,680
company I've been putting out UFO and

1333
01:06:55,410 --> 01:06:53,349
paranormal books since the tender age of

1334
01:06:57,539 --> 01:06:55,420
14 when I went out and bought a

1335
01:07:01,200 --> 01:06:57,549
billionaire machine and started cranking

1336
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:01,210
out a newsletter okay we now have about

1337
01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:05,529
260 books I haven't written the law but

1338
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:07,480
they're both my name is on most of them

1339
01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:09,849
as editor we publish books my prince

1340
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:14,230
Tiger teal obscene karappa Richard

1341
01:07:26,579 --> 01:07:19,890
dissented Sean Castile Tim Schwartz ah

1342
01:07:29,010 --> 01:07:26,589
Reverend yeah yeah nobody going that's

1343
01:07:32,190 --> 01:07:29,020
good is this you this very well-known

1344
01:07:34,140 --> 01:07:32,200
researcher from Tennessee and anyway so

1345
01:07:36,359 --> 01:07:34,150
we put out a variety of books you know

1346
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:36,369
if people ask my opinion I say you know

1347
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:40,510
I pick some hooks because I like the

1348
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:42,569
subject matter or I think that there

1349
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:45,730
have something to say those are useful

1350
01:07:50,099 --> 01:07:48,130
words that don't sell and then there are

1351
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,109
the books that I publish because other

1352
01:07:54,569 --> 01:07:52,720
people may be interested in them even

1353
01:07:57,380 --> 01:07:54,579
though I might not have a particular

1354
01:08:00,599 --> 01:07:57,390
fascination with a particular topic

1355
01:08:04,740 --> 01:08:00,609
anyway so we've got reconceive got 260

1356
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:04,750
books but I started out when I was a

1357
01:08:11,099 --> 01:08:06,490
teenager

1358
01:08:15,329 --> 01:08:11,109
and my first publisher was a gentleman I

1359
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:15,339
think great partner who had a a company

1360
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:20,290
called cesarean publication I believe

1361
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:21,910
that the first book that I did for him

1362
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:24,310
was the shaver mystery and the inner

1363
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:26,890
earth which is still in print although

1364
01:08:32,010 --> 01:08:28,690
it's been retitled subterranean world

1365
01:08:34,620 --> 01:08:32,020
inside earth ok so this was about at the

1366
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:34,630
age of maybe 15 16 I'd have to look up

1367
01:08:40,590 --> 01:08:37,660
the debate with it looks were published

1368
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:40,600
when I I was still wet behind the ears

1369
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:43,930
and in those days it's been a long

1370
01:08:51,090 --> 01:08:46,600
journey man let me tell ya it has been a

1371
01:08:55,950 --> 01:08:51,100
long long journey oh yeah okay back when

1372
01:09:02,459 --> 01:08:55,960
I was in the fourth grade I had to pick

1373
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:02,469
a book to do a book review now I never

1374
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:06,100
particularly liked the English I was not

1375
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:09,130
a good student I didn't get along very

1376
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:12,190
well with the teachers they irritated me

1377
01:09:17,970 --> 01:09:15,520
a for example I do they I was always

1378
01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:17,980
interested in astronomy if I graduates

1379
01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:20,680
vice president Li had the Serenity Club

1380
01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:23,500
at home and in school well I did a

1381
01:09:29,579 --> 01:09:26,020
report on astronomy and a teacher gave

1382
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:29,589
me a D - why did he give me a D -

1383
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:32,560
because he said I copied I had a copy it

1384
01:09:37,620 --> 01:09:35,560
from somewhere well I'd like to tell you

1385
01:09:43,769 --> 01:09:37,630
what I think of that teacher but I'm

1386
01:09:47,039 --> 01:09:43,779
sure that this is a family show i I hope

1387
01:09:51,450 --> 01:09:47,049
he has somewhere in the lower regions of

1388
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:51,460
hell and has to write on a chalkboard

1389
01:09:57,690 --> 01:09:55,120
with a hot piece of cold over and over

1390
01:10:01,680 --> 01:09:57,700
again I will not try to humiliate him

1391
01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:01,690
neckli all eternity I hope he has to

1392
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:05,350
write them anyway I did a book report

1393
01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:09,070
and what will I select select what they

1394
01:10:15,660 --> 01:10:11,590
knew too much about flying saucers

1395
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:15,670
migrate order code behold I got a B+ on

1396
01:10:20,170 --> 01:10:17,330
the book report

1397
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:20,180
teacher but then the Astra and the one

1398
01:10:24,340 --> 01:10:22,610
who created me on the astronomy report

1399
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:24,350
and I was very pleased

1400
01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:27,770
well of course little did I know that at

1401
01:10:33,550 --> 01:10:30,260
eight or ten years later where he marker

1402
01:10:35,950 --> 01:10:33,560
would be publishing like books how could

1403
01:10:39,310 --> 01:10:35,960
I possibly have known that had in

1404
01:10:42,130 --> 01:10:39,320
addition when he passed away I bought

1405
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:42,140
the last fifty hardcover edition that

1406
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:45,230
they did too much from his estate

1407
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:48,230
amassed a lot of you on the back shelf

1408
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:50,330
right here so that's certainly a

1409
01:10:54,700 --> 01:10:53,090
synchronicity a hardcore synchronicity

1410
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:54,710
if there ever was one

1411
01:10:59,230 --> 01:10:56,960
so secretive the system because

1412
01:11:01,480 --> 01:10:59,240
synchronicity are totally out of the

1413
01:11:03,730 --> 01:11:01,490
squirrel and anybody who is interested

1414
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:03,740
in the subject all they got to do is go

1415
01:11:09,630 --> 01:11:07,070
to amazon.com and look for the book the

1416
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:09,640
matrix control system of philip k dick

1417
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:12,530
and the subtitle is and the paranormal

1418
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:14,390
synchronicity that's it at the green

1419
01:11:19,330 --> 01:11:16,250
quickly but you don't have to remember

1420
01:11:21,190 --> 01:11:19,340
that all just remember matrix epsilon k

1421
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:21,200
dick and you'll find the book are you

1422
01:11:28,570 --> 01:11:25,040
get in touch with me at mister UFO aidid

1423
01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:28,580
hotmail.com if you order by paypal i

1424
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:32,030
give you a discount and throw in a free

1425
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:34,910
DVD if you tell me you heard it on the

1426
01:11:40,990 --> 01:11:38,000
show here alright alright and by the way

1427
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:41,000
you you pointed out to me that matrix

1428
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:45,040
apparently was term that Philip dick it

1429
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:49,280
generated himself well you know I can't

1430
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:51,430
think with the term originated you know

1431
01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:55,730
teleportation is a word that Charles

1432
01:12:02,020 --> 01:11:59,060
Ford came up with that's his terminology

1433
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,030
and silicate dick like a lot of science

1434
01:12:07,540 --> 01:12:04,880
fiction writers make up their own lingo

1435
01:12:09,130 --> 01:12:07,550
I mean if you look at the titles of the

1436
01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:09,140
books and some of the things that mean

1437
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:14,590
that he talked about it's in his own

1438
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:19,970
code in fact he didn't book Corvallis VA

1439
01:12:30,460 --> 01:12:26,450
Li s which is tells the story

1440
01:12:37,660 --> 01:12:30,470
in novel form of his own contact with

1441
01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:37,670
some other species individual it's hard

1442
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,580
to say exactly what these entities were

1443
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:43,040
this entity was and he wasn't sure

1444
01:12:51,190 --> 01:12:48,110
either pala stands for fast active

1445
01:12:55,060 --> 01:12:51,200
living intelligence systems so how

1446
01:12:58,210 --> 01:12:55,070
philip k dick had you know Hector we're

1447
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,220
just about everything just like Johnson

1448
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:00,800
Lily's earth coincidence

1449
01:13:07,810 --> 01:13:04,610
a control center which is known as echo

1450
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:07,820
for short oh hey if you got some weird

1451
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:10,280
def synchronicities not just running

1452
01:13:14,020 --> 01:13:11,630
into somebody on the street that you're

1453
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:14,030
thinking about it where you look up in

1454
01:13:18,610 --> 01:13:16,130
it's a lemon lemon on the on the clock

1455
01:13:22,350 --> 01:13:18,620
let me know equals all include them in

1456
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:22,360
the next edition of the book all right

1457
01:13:30,540 --> 01:13:26,000
now good very interesting subject matter

1458
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:30,550
we've had here Tim I sure appreciate you

1459
01:13:36,340 --> 01:13:33,670
you know doing this program with me and

1460
01:13:42,430 --> 01:13:36,350
I've been been very engaging very

1461
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:42,440
fascinating subjects and stories well I

1462
01:13:47,950 --> 01:13:44,570
I thank you for having me on your

1463
01:13:51,190 --> 01:13:47,960
program you're one of the leading the

1464
01:13:53,950 --> 01:13:51,200
lights of the of the paranormal you

1465
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:53,960
yourself you've been doing this maybe a

1466
01:13:58,060 --> 01:13:56,000
few years shorter than I have but that

1467
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:58,070
years certainly have been out there

1468
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:02,000
plugging away at it in your publication

1469
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:05,540
remains of one of my favorites and I pad

1470
01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:07,610
copies when I would find them on the

1471
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:10,760
newsstand oh well I appreciate it I've

1472
01:14:16,060 --> 01:14:13,300
got here I got through a UFO universe

1473
01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:16,070
well you know before that we were doing

1474
01:14:23,610 --> 01:14:21,260
UFO review and if you look around we

1475
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:23,620
were doing before that the searchlight

1476
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:26,360
which is about the shaver mystery and

1477
01:14:31,330 --> 01:14:27,920
the first one was the interplanetary

1478
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:31,340
News Service report and I actually did a

1479
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:34,130
book that was done in what I call it

1480
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:36,330
visible ink did old machine

1481
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,030
it was called inside the sorcerer's 1962

1482
01:14:43,940 --> 01:14:41,520
and I don't even have a copy of it I

1483
01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:43,950
probably would have evaporated by now

1484
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:46,500
although my friend rich Albert said that

1485
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:49,020
he has one in his file so one of these

1486
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,860
days I'm going to have him make a Xerox

1487
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:54,480
copy of it if it will come out because

1488
01:15:01,220 --> 01:14:58,320
of the favorable ink and it was one of

1489
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,230
the first book books published actually

1490
01:15:07,460 --> 01:15:03,600
thought about a German and Nazi

1491
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:07,470
constructed UFOs and that's a that's for

1492
01:15:12,110 --> 01:15:09,090
another program and we will do this

1493
01:15:13,730 --> 01:15:12,120
again well great and Rick's probably

1494
01:15:16,730 --> 01:15:13,740
been in the fields about as long as you

1495
01:15:20,540 --> 01:15:16,740
have yes yes we won't we all met each

1496
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:20,550
other when we were probably 13 or 14

1497
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:24,000
years old ray Palmer's flying saucers

1498
01:15:28,940 --> 01:15:25,770
magazine used to have a column in there

1499
01:15:32,060 --> 01:15:28,950
called the flying saucer news right now

1500
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,070
that I know I've got get some of your

1501
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:35,280
articles in the early flying saucers ray

1502
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:39,420
Palmer's magazine back when you took

1503
01:15:44,420 --> 01:15:41,610
over gray Barker's column there on the

1504
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:44,430
track on the trail of the flying saucer

1505
01:15:50,150 --> 01:15:48,480
and we put all those old columns and all

1506
01:15:51,770 --> 01:15:50,160
the articles that I wrote for you a full

1507
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:51,780
report which was the sodding UFO

1508
01:15:59,300 --> 01:15:56,370
magazine into a book called strange saga

1509
01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:59,310
which can get on Amazon it's so dirt

1510
01:16:03,260 --> 01:16:01,260
cheap because I want to share those

1511
01:16:06,860 --> 01:16:03,270
early columns and articles which were

1512
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:06,870
some of my best you know with people who

1513
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:09,960
are not familiar with my earlier works

1514
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:12,210
that's right I've you sent me a copy a

1515
01:16:17,180 --> 01:16:14,250
few years ago which is right over here

1516
01:16:21,170 --> 01:16:17,190
on the shelf about four feet from there

1517
01:16:24,230 --> 01:16:21,180
you go it should be closer what you know

1518
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:24,240
I'll move over closer yeah but anyway

1519
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:27,450
well thank you Tim and I'm sure our

1520
01:16:32,450 --> 01:16:30,450
listeners will find this interview quite

1521
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:32,460
interesting we've cover a lot of a lot

1522
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:34,260
of ground and yes we need to do this

1523
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:39,870
again so yeah thank you very much

1524
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:45,300
and you take care thank you all right

1525
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:57,340
all right and that was a nearly

1526
01:17:07,390 --> 01:17:01,760
hour-and-a-half interview conversation

1527
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:07,400
with Timothy exactly longtime researcher

1528
01:17:14,670 --> 01:17:10,489
going back to the 1950s of paranormal

1529
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:14,680
UFOs called mr. UFO bye-bye many people

1530
01:17:23,229 --> 01:17:18,520
has contributed a great deal of

1531
01:17:27,700 --> 01:17:23,239
literature and recently he has written a

1532
01:17:30,910 --> 01:17:27,710
book on philip k dick well-known

1533
01:17:34,570 --> 01:17:30,920
novelists who also claimed it had very

1534
01:17:39,490 --> 01:17:34,580
unusual paranormal star visitor type

1535
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:39,500
experiences so anyway that's it for the

1536
01:17:48,490 --> 01:17:45,280
June issue of alternate perceptions

1537
01:17:53,650 --> 01:17:48,500
interview here with Tim Beck Lee stay

1538
01:17:54,130 --> 01:17:53,660
tuned for future interviews and also in

1539
01:17:58,300 --> 01:17:54,140
this issue

1540
01:18:02,950 --> 01:17:58,310
you'll also can listen to a audio

1541
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:02,960
interview with a bill puckett out in

1542
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:05,570
Montana who has a meteorologist who has

1543
01:18:14,370 --> 01:18:10,450
a lot of very interesting UFO cases

1544
01:18:16,510 --> 01:18:14,380
radar visual type incidents and

1545
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:16,520
authenticated type reports that he's

1546
01:18:24,010 --> 01:18:20,930
looked into personally so take care

1547
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:24,020
everyone and hope you'll join us for

1548
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:27,960
future episodes all for now take care